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Let's say you have a 30-06 rifle with a 22-inch barrel and you want to take it out to the 1000 yd mark. There are 3 different powders to choose from to put a 200gr Berger or a 208gr Hornady bullet downrange out of Lapua brass. Which would you choose: H4350, IMR 4064, or Varget? Are there others you would use instead and can you say why.
 

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I have been using IMR 4064 for my 30-06 loads with good results so far, I just don't know if it would provide the extra power to get out past the 1000 yd mark since there are no local ranges available at that distance here. I don't think Varget is really a good choice for 30-06 but I thought I'd ask to see what others think. I've used IMR 4350 for my .303 Brit but I keep that on the low end due to its age. I'm not sure if there is any difference between the H4350 and the IMR 4350, I was told by a very experienced member of the forum that H4350 would be a good choice but I thought I'd put it out there for the membership to discuss if they wanted.
 

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I use Varget. However, I have never taken it beyond 200 yards at paper. I am not a steady shot. This is for fun. So I can achieve 5 to 6 inch groups that I am pleased with for my effort. I use Nosler Accubond and Ballistic Tip bullets with large rifle primers. Still think that the 06 is a terrific cartridge and helped to win WWII. I am a big 308 fan as well. Just thinking out loud now, but if you wanted to go the distance, the 338 Lapua might be your cartridge and people are also having a lot of fun with the 6.5 Creedmore. Then it means, new rifle, new dies, etc. Lots of videos on this subject. Getting to the point where I am getting too old to dive into long range rifles. I just concentrate on self defense ammunition and ammo that I can pick up off of a battlefield.

Oh, by the way, Nosler offers excellent reload data with recommendations for the most accurate powder bullet combination that can be obtained free on their website or in their book.
 

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H4350....I used a similar load in my ‘06 my first year at Perry, and did quite well with it
Thanks, GT. Lapua, Lapua, and Lapua! I was listening. I'm waiting for all the components, the H4350 has been out of stock. I'm not expecting miracles to begin with, but I will hit at 1000 and then look at going out further. Expect more questions, LOL
 

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Thanks, GT. Lapua, Lapua, and Lapua! I was listening. I'm waiting for all the components, the H4350 has been out of stock. I'm not expecting miracles to begin with, but I will hit at 1000 and then look at going out further. Expect more questions, LOL
If you want 1000 yards and further then barrel length is your friend. 26” and a 1-10 twist on a ‘06 is **** near perfect....maybe 28”
 

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If you want 1000 yards and further then barrel length is your friend. 26” and a 1-10 twist on a ‘06 is **** near perfect....maybe 28”

Hmm, I'll have to see what I can do with the 22" 1-10 I have now. Same old story of want vs. need at this point. I know what I want, but I'll need to start saving for it. LOL
I have a nice walnut stock that is empty right now. I wonder what it would cost to have it filled with a nice long action and barrel?
 

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Any opinions on the Remington 700? I saw a heavy barrel long distance 26" 30-06 composite that seemed like a good deal in the $750 range, though I would rather have a nice walnut stock. I don't know much about its reputation among the operators out there and I can't just go with the hype from the company which says it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's hard to find a 26" 30-06 in my price range, most are .308 or 6.5 Creedmore, and up into the belted magnums that I don't want to get into. Another one I saw was a Weatherby but it had a normal barrel, and the last one was a Winchester Model 70 Alaskan 25" (which I would love) but would be almost double what the Remington 700 is.
 

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Any opinions on the Remington 700? I saw a heavy barrel long distance 26" 30-06 composite that seemed like a good deal in the $750 range, though I would rather have a nice walnut stock. I don't know much about its reputation among the operators out there and I can't just go with the hype from the company which says it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's hard to find a 26" 30-06 in my price range, most are .308 or 6.5 Creedmore, and up into the belted magnums that I don't want to get into. Another one I saw was a Weatherby but it had a normal barrel, and the last one was a Winchester Model 70 Alaskan 25" (which I would love) but would be almost double what the Remington 700 is.
I built my 1 mile rifle on a Remington LA. You have found, in my experience at least, to be square and concentric within .0015 to .002”. With careful and accurate barreling, and good bedding you shouldn’t have any issues. They are the Harley Davidson of the gun world, every one makes high quality competition parts for the 700
The Weatherby, if built on a Howa 1500 action, if its a vanguard is a good action as well, the only draw back is that it takes metric threads, including the barrel shank threads. This may make it problematic in the future for rebarreling
As far as the model 70 goes, it is after all touted as “the riflemans rifle” but after 4 decades plus of cilvillian and military armorers working with Remington 700 actions, the aftermarket parts is in the Remmy’s favor
 

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Thanks GT, that answers a lot of my questions. I will have to buy the factory model, but I can upgrade as needed later when the funds permit. I should have enough left to have the bedding done right if any issues there. I am going to support the local gunsmith for that, the glass will have to wait for a while, I have an extra Nikon scope I can put on it until I can get something better.
 

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Thanks GT, that answers a lot of my questions. I will have to buy the factory model, but I can upgrade as needed later when the funds permit. I should have enough left to have the bedding done right if any issues there. I am going to support the local gunsmith for that, the glass will have to wait for a while, I have an extra Nikon scope I can put on it until I can get something better.
Then it sounds like a Remmy 700...
 

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The IMR 4064 was designed for the 30-06 by the military I believe.
IMR (Improved Military Rifle) 4064 was first produced in 1935, I don't know if it was caliber-specific at the time but I'll take your word for it. I do use it for my 30-06 in all my reloads and it seems to work great for me. What my original question was asking was if it had the extra power to push a heavy projectile out to a thousand (and beyond) with any accuracy left over to find the target. I don't think I'll ever be any kind of competitor, I know my limits and I don't think I have what it takes, but I get enormous satisfaction out of hitting steel and the farther out the better.
I like IMR powders for my bolt actions, I use IMR 4350 for my .303 Brit, but I'm not going to limit myself to any one brand. I use Alliant's Unique and bought a pound of Bullseye though I haven't used it yet, and Hodgdon's Clays for my shotshell. I've tried to follow the advice of others, choose powders that can be used for other loads also, you never know when something will happen to the supply. LOL, I still don't know what the difference is between the IMR and Hodgdon powders of the same number designation like H4350 and IMR 4350, they are both the same parent company. If anyone can answer that one feel free to put here.
 

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I ordered that Remington 700 26" heavy barrel rifle yesterday.
Remington® Model 700™ Long-Range Bolt-Action Rifles
4.1 out of 5(52)

  • Remington X-Mark Pro externally adjustable trigger
  • 26" heavy varmint barrel with matte finish
  • Black/Grey Web Bell and Carlson M40 tactical stock
  • Aluminum bedding block for added accuracy
  • Remington Super Cell recoil pad
Item: IK-292004

I had to go around about to get it done though. There were no local stores that had it in that caliber and the only online merchant that I could find that had it was Cabellas in Reno Nevada and they would not let me have it shipped here for whatever reason. Fortunately, Bass Pro Shop and Cabellas have merged recently so I was able to work out the deal where I buy from Cabellas and they ship it to the closest Bass Pro Shop in Rancho Cucamonga. That's only an hour from here, lol, oh well, road trip
 

GT Morrow

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I ordered that Remington 700 26" heavy barrel rifle yesterday.
Remington® Model 700™ Long-Range Bolt-Action Rifles
4.1 out of 5(52)

  • Remington X-Mark Pro externally adjustable trigger
  • 26" heavy varmint barrel with matte finish
  • Black/Grey Web Bell and Carlson M40 tactical stock
  • Aluminum bedding block for added accuracy
  • Remington Super Cell recoil pad
Item: IK-292004

I had to go around about to get it done though. There were no local stores that had it in that caliber and the only online merchant that I could find that had it was Cabellas in Reno Nevada and they would not let me have it shipped here for whatever reason. Fortunately, Bass Pro Shop and Cabellas have merged recently so I was able to work out the deal where I buy from Cabellas and they ship it to the closest Bass Pro Shop in Rancho Cucamonga. That's only an hour from here, lol, oh well, road trip
Awesome! And it sounds like a very good base to start with. If I may make some recommendations...
When you can replace the factory trigger with a Jewel.
And if long range is going to be your thing, ship the barreled action to Area 419 and get their 8-40 scope screw upgrade.
Then pick up a Badger Ordance 20 MOA lugged 8-40 scope mount and have it bedded to the receiver.
 

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Awesome! And it sounds like a very good base to start with. If I may make some recommendations...
When you can replace the factory trigger with a Jewel.
And if long range is going to be your thing, ship the barreled action to Area 419 and get their 8-40 scope screw upgrade.
Then pick up a Badger Ordinance 20 MOA lugged 8-40 scope mount and have it bedded to the receiver.
Cool, thanks! I think that will have to wait for the next check to show up from the Gubmint though. I'm still hoping to get a T7 and some gear to keep it fed. :giggle: I went to all those sites and priced it out, might take a while but not as much as I thought it would be. Some good glass is definitely going to have to wait though. LOL.
 

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Cool, thanks! I think that will have to wait for the next check to show up from the Gubmint though. I'm still hoping to get a T7 and some gear to keep it fed. :giggle: I went to all those sites and priced it out, might take a while but not as much as I thought it would be. Some good glass is definitely going to have to wait though. LOL.
Take a look at the Vortex HST in 6-24x50mm with MOA adjustments, that’s what I bolted onto my 1 mile rifle
 

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Take a look at the Vortex HST in 6-24x50mm with MOA adjustments, that’s what I bolted onto my 1-mile rifle
I will add that to the list and go check it out now. $699.99 every place I looked, I'll have to be patient. Looks like a great scope though.
 
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