Dillon answered my question on Federal primers

Just got off the phone with Jeff from Dillon who was very professional and forthright with my question. He said and I quote
“ Dillon does not recommend using Federal primers with the 650 due to them having out of specification issues, out of round, too soft etc which could cause jamming issues. He said the 650 is the only press to do this and there would be no problem with the 750 because of the change to the priming system. But still does not recommend using Federal primers” unquote.

So considering there are untold thousands who are using Federal primers on a 650 and have not had any issues and having seen pictures and stories of primer tube explosion that happened on a 650 brings me to these questions.
Is this from a design flaw of 650, primer flaw or operator error?

I have never used a 650 with Federal primers but the little that I did load on my friends 650 with non Federal primers there was no issues at all nor has he had any.
I have loaded tens of thousands of Federal primers on the non Dillon presses I have and never had issues with them.
Which brings me to operator error. I would think that with any press but the 650 specifically the way the priming system is according to Dillon that if a Federal primer got jammed and the operator slammed the handle without stopping to fix the issue then I can see a chain detonation happening.
However I would think that this could happen with any type of primer and any type of progressive press if the operator didn‘t clean, perform maintenance or was an idiot.
So with the information I got from Dillon I am leaning towards a 750.

My other post and this one in no way shape or form was to bash Dillon, cause animosity or panty knots as I don’t do that, it was to get the truth to my question.

Doug
 
I have never owned a 650 so no comment on that. I have used all major brands of primers except federal, with zero going off except under my hammer.
I have seen posts and videos where users have made the comment about a full tube of primers going off at the same time. Not sure I believe this because when loading on a Dillon 750, the primer being inserted into the casing is literally several inches away from the loaded primer tube. Its not feasible.
Thanks for the interesting read.
 

sgtsandman

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Well, that answers the question about the press and Federal primers.

I think there may be some merit to the comments about user error also. That being said, I'll leave the first hand and more educated and experienced reloaders to express their recommendations and opinions on the subject. Me personally, I would default the Dillon's answer on the subject since they would and should be the expert on the subject matter when it comes to their product(s).
 
Just got off the phone with Jeff from Dillon who was very professional and forthright with my question. He said and I quote
“ Dillon does not recommend using Federal primers with the 650 due to them having out of specification issues, out of round, too soft etc which could cause jamming issues. He said the 650 is the only press to do this and there would be no problem with the 750 because of the change to the priming system. But still does not recommend using Federal primers” unquote.

So considering there are untold thousands who are using Federal primers on a 650 and have not had any issues and having seen pictures and stories of primer tube explosion that happened on a 650 brings me to these questions.
Is this from a design flaw of 650, primer flaw or operator error?

I have never used a 650 with Federal primers but the little that I did load on my friends 650 with non Federal primers there was no issues at all nor has he had any.
I have loaded tens of thousands of Federal primers on the non Dillon presses I have and never had issues with them.
Which brings me to operator error. I would think that with any press but the 650 specifically the way the priming system is according to Dillon that if a Federal primer got jammed and the operator slammed the handle without stopping to fix the issue then I can see a chain detonation happening.
However I would think that this could happen with any type of primer and any type of progressive press if the operator didn‘t clean, perform maintenance or was an idiot.
So with the information I got from Dillon I am leaning towards a 750.

My other post and this one in no way shape or form was to bash Dillon, cause animosity or panty knots as I don’t do that, it was to get the truth to my question.

Doug
Thanks for giving us Dillons take on that. Sounds like it was an issue with only the 650’s, that’s why my 750 manual had no mention of any issues.
mill stick to CCI and Winchester like I always have.
 
A few years ago I got a smoking deal on Federal small and large magnum matched pistol primers and still have as of today 20,200 small and 17,350 large primers. At my age I don’t think I will be using many other brands of primers though I do have a few of CCI and Winchester small and large non and magnum primers.
So having a press that has issues with Federal primers doesn’t make sense to me.
 
A few years ago I got a smoking deal on Federal small and large magnum matched pistol primers and still have as of today 20,200 small and 17,350 large primers. At my age I don’t think I will be using many other brands of primers though I do have a few of CCI and Winchester small and large non and magnum primers.
So having a press that has issues with Federal primers doesn’t make sense to me.
The dilemma and choice that you have is get rid of your press or get rid of your primers. Only you know based upon your "smoking" deal what you have in your primers. Compare that with $1500 to $2000 that your will need for a Dillon 750 including how many conversion kits you will need and plates for the case loader.
 
The dilemma and choice that you have is get rid of your press or get rid of your primers. Only you know based upon your "smoking" deal what you have in your primers. Compare that with $1500 to $2000 that your will need for a Dillon 750 including how many conversion kits you will need and plates for the case loader.

I don’t have a dilemma of getting rid of anything. The whole point of this thread was making a decision between the 650 and 750. Dillon made that choice for me and a 750 is what I will be getting.
 
I don’t have a dilemma of getting rid of anything. The whole point of this thread was making a decision between the 650 and 750. Dillon made that choice for me and a 750 is what I will be getting.
I was under the impression that you had the 650. My "***" sumption. Having already purchased a 550C and a 750 this year, I would lend a favorable appraisal for both Dillon products.
 
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