No longer supporting NRA (Support Local, GOA, NAGR, and SAF)

Been watching and reading a lot of 2A content recently. Tim/ MAC/MilitaryArms has laid out exactly how I feel. They are willing to bend and even support anti 2nd amendment legislation and regulations and have had their hands in it throughout history.

I’m no longer renewing my yearly membership or supporting vendors who support the NRA.

All of my support is going to the GOA.

We need a grassroots revolt against the NRA and force them to restructure and truly be a voice of the constitution.
 
Darn... i put this in the wrong forum. Should be in 2A section. Silly Newb!

I've simmered down since i posted this. :p

I don't even know if it's possible at the moment to not buy from vendors who are supporting the NRA over the GOA. They are all supporting them and I would bet have no idea of the shenanigans going on over there. They are just like us and assume they have the best attentions. At the very least i am no longer doing the donate my change or round up to the NRA. Maybe we lobby these companies to have the same for GOA?

The NRA should never consider or promote anything that threatens our right to arm and defend ourselves. It's a black and white right and not open to interpretation. As Tim puts it in the video ... the minute they say "but" in a comment regarding anti-gun laws, our antennas should raise as they are NOT for the constitution and our 2nd amendment rights. No difference between that and the liberal, statist, left saying the constitution is a "living and breathing" document.
 
I do understand your frustration. And the NRA has done somethings politically that are not in line with our best interests. I think its important to remember that the NRA's primary function is safety and training. They have the best course materials available in almost every discipline. Getting new shooters in the game is of up most importance. This will allow the 2nd amendment to survive long after we are gone. For this reason alone I still support the NRA.
 
Today, I'm not sure the NRA actually accounts for as much recruitment and training as the grassroots community. No data of course to back that up and my opinion is purely anecdotal. Should we turn a blind eye to the political motivations even though they're considered the largest lobbying group for the 2A community? Just as we need to ensure we are voting the right representatives into office, we need to ensure we support organizations that can do the same.

I do understand your point of view and would never judge someone for continuing support of the NRA but we also have to grow alternative organizations that can fill in the gaps. Unfortunately the crony ( or Pro Chrony :) politicians are working with them in backroom deals and we can't have that.

Let's look at the latest legislation they helped push through: Bump Stocks "the slippery slope"
-> They pass regulations against devices that makes a semi auto device shoot as a full auto
-> They have to define a rate of fire to be considered full auto
-> They pass regulations saying weapons capable of shooting at a certain rate of fire could be considered machine guns
-> They outlaw Jerry Miculek
-> Semi Autos as we know it are up for grabs with the right mix of a tragic event (followed by left wing, fake news propoganda) and who's in office

This seems like a crazy turn of events, but can't we all agree that based on what we're seeing in the world today, anything's possible?
 

sgtsandman

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I feel the same that you do with the NRA. I tried to help fix the organization from the inside and giving money to the effort to the point I became a Benefactor Life Member. Granted, most of the levels were at discount levels but it was still a quite a bit of money. The organization still continued to support legislation and items that weakened the Second Amendment instead of strengthening it. Now, this is all my opinion. There are quite a number of people who still support the organization for one reason or another. It's their right.

I've changed my focus to building up other Second Amendment organizations as a result. The GOA is one of them. NAGR is another. The Second Amendment Foundation in the future. Even with these and other national groups, it doesn't address the State and local issue where they are less effective. The GOA has made a good show at trying but isn't quite there yet. Because of the shift from national efforts by gun grabbers to the State and local level. State and, if they exist, local organizations need support as well. In PA, it's the Pennsylvania Rifle and Pistol Association and Firearm Owners Against Crime.

As far as firearms stores and related business supporting the NRA, not much you can do about that other than write them asking they reconsider or at least consider supporting other national organizations. Midway USA still supports the NRA. I'm not sure about Brownell's after Mr. Brownell had a fall out with the NRA. I just choose not to use the round up option Midway USA has when ordering from them. I suppose there are worse things they could be doing but I do feel directing money to where it makes the most difference would be better.

The point about the education courses the NRA offers isn't wrong. From what I've seen there isn't much other options out there that offer similar outside of law enforcement certifications.
 
Agree and I’ll be also donating to the other orgs you’ve mentioned.

I’m ignorant about their training offerings. I don’t know anyone who has used it and hope I didn’t come off as I don’t value it.

re:local
we are pretty good in TN. One reason I moved here.

I grew up in NJ which is a lost cause. PA... I think if you can get the libs to stay east and stunt the growth of Philly that’s all you guys need to do. ;)
 

sgtsandman

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Agree and I’ll be also donating to the other orgs you’ve mentioned.

I’m ignorant about their training offerings. I don’t know anyone who has used it and hope I didn’t come off as I don’t value it.

re:local
we are pretty good in TN. One reason I moved here.

I grew up in NJ which is a lost cause. PA... I think if you can get the libs to stay east and stunt the growth of Philly that’s all you guys need to do. ;)
PA has more than Philly to worry about. Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, Erie, Pittsburgh, and Harrisburg are all big problem areas for us as general areas areas go. With them being large population centers, they are running roughshod over the rest of the Commonwealth. When I retire, I'm planning on moving to TN to escape the insanity. Right now I'm kind of stuck.

The NRA offers training all the way from basic rifle, pistol, and shotgun courses to advanced courses, instructor courses and certain security and law enforcement certifications. They do have great programs in that regard. We see some of it at the training courses our sportsman's club runs. Obviously, the security and law enforcement courses are for a different crowd but I see some of that too with me being in search and rescue. Not necessarily for me but others I work with or around.
 

sgtsandman

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My membership is due to expire in a couple days. I will renew but for only 1 year. We need everything we can to fight. I know the NRA is jacked right now but maybe they will see the light soon.
I hope you are right. I have a lot of time and money invested in them. I'm afraid as long as they have the current leadership at the helm, nothing is going to change. Life is too good for Mr, LaPierre living off our dime and he is showing no interest in giving that up.
 

Reb Tyree

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I'm a Life Member of the NRA. I support NRA even though I may not agree with everything they do. I'm also a GOA and NAGR member. We all need to support and fight against the Anti 2A movement. Now is not the time to fight amongst the organizations. It's more important than ever to stand together and fight the anti 2A leftists!!!

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76Highboy

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I feel the same that you do with the NRA. I tried to help fix the organization from the inside and giving money to the effort to the point I became a Benefactor Life Member. Granted, most of the levels were at discount levels but it was still a quite a bit of money. The organization still continued to support legislation and items that weakened the Second Amendment instead of strengthening it. Now, this is all my opinion. There are quite a number of people who still support the organization for one reason or another. It's their right.

I've changed my focus to building up other Second Amendment organizations as a result. The GOA is one of them. NAGR is another. The Second Amendment Foundation in the future. Even with these and other national groups, it doesn't address the State and local issue where they are less effective. The GOA has made a good show at trying but isn't quite there yet. Because of the shift from national efforts by gun grabbers to the State and local level. State and, if they exist, local organizations need support as well. In PA, it's the Pennsylvania Rifle and Pistol Association and Firearm Owners Against Crime.

As far as firearms stores and related business supporting the NRA, not much you can do about that other than write them asking they reconsider or at least consider supporting other national organizations. Midway USA still supports the NRA. I'm not sure about Brownell's after Mr. Brownell had a fall out with the NRA. I just choose not to use the round up option Midway USA has when ordering from them. I suppose there are worse things they could be doing but I do feel directing money to where it makes the most difference would be better.

The point about the education courses the NRA offers isn't wrong. From what I've seen there isn't much other options out there that offer similar outside of law enforcement certifications.
This is where I have arrived. I agree.

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Reb Tyree

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Ok Folks, We as members of the NRA can band together for a common goal. We as members do not like what has occurred with the Current Leadership of the NRA!!!

I suggest that we as members call the NRA and Voice our opinions and concerns about the current Leadership.

Let's be clear about this, if you are following the news, you will notice the key individuals who supported President Trump during the last election are slowly being pulled down by the left in several states in some sort of scandal to discredit them! This is purely a political hit job!

The goal of the left for the last 20 yrs or more has been to destroy the NRA! Because of its political support for candidates who support the 2A.

If you don't want to support the NRA as a whole, the other option is to support the NRA-ILA, that money goes back to the states where the donations were made to help support legal actions in favor of the 2A.

You can also support the following 2A organizations: GOA, NAGR, and your state 2A groups or any other 2A groups on the national level.

If we as members of the NRA don't take a stand to support the NRA, the left wins in destroying the NRA!!! This is all about the left winning the election. Once the NRA is destroyed, they will move to the next 2A group to destroy them until there is no organization to stand and fight for the 2A.

This election is about defeating Donald Trump and the Republican Party, Conservatives and Christians and tearing down our way of life and freedoms that were granted in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights!!!

Its up to you folks to decide!!! You have two choices Freedom or Socialism!!! That my friends is what is at stake!!

Freedom or Socialism, once We as Freedom loving Americans are disarmed by the left. Socialism will rear its ugly head and will rise to power and our nation will be gone forever!! As we will be servants to the government!!! All you need to do is to look at history to see that this is true, as history repeats itself!!!

Freedom or Socialism it's your choice!!!
 

ARguns1776

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They did a lot more bad than what you see listed they were for the assault weapons ban they were for the nics system they were at one time for Dianne Feinstein's new assault weapons ban they have betrayed the crap out of us. But they still do a lot of good and they have a lot of sway over Congress and we need to get the current leadership out.
 

sgtsandman

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They did a lot more bad than what you see listed they were for the assault weapons ban they were for the nics system they were at one time for Dianne Feinstein's new assault weapons ban they have betrayed the crap out of us. But they still do a lot of good and they have a lot of sway over Congress and we need to get the current leadership out.
They also backed the NFA and GCA among other things. So, when the gun control started, they were there supporting it. They did straighten up there for a while after the membership cleaned house but back slid a little at a time to where they are now.
 
They also backed the NFA and GCA among other things. So, when the gun control started, they were there supporting it. They did straighten up there for a while after the membership cleaned house but back slid a little at a time to where they are now.
Understand, that when the 68 GCA was passed and the NFA, the NRA was not a Gun Rights Organization. They were predominately a Rifle Practice and Marksmanship promotion group, focusing on continuation of Marksmanship skills among the public. The did not start fight for Gun Rights and lobbying until well after that. Many people accuse them of helping it pass instead of fighting. That was not their purpose at all. Their purpose changed dramatically in the 70's. I remember it myself when I was younger and an avid competition shooter.
I will say this. I know some people working for the NRA in Washington. I know an Attorney who is regularly used for legal purposes to fight Gun Laws. I know Field Reps. Much of what you hear from the anti-NRA talk in the forums and social media is hogwash. Find another Gun Rights Organization that actually has Lawyers and Lobbyists who actually go in person to a Congressman's Office and talks to them. Who sends Lawyers to Anti-Gun Organizations to advise them that if they try certain moves they are going to be sued or get a cease and desist order?
Most of the other organizations that everyone raves about, basically write letters and send petitions to politicians. Yeah, that ought to show 'em. There is a REASON why the Liberals and the Anti-Gun people HATE the NRA and FIGHT the NRA and want to STOP the NRA. Because NRA is a MASSIVE ENEMY to them and stands in their way. Because they are effective and get the job done. They are FEARED among some politicians and anti-gun groups. Ask yourself why? Why isn't Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer calling for the destruction and downfall of GOA or 2nd Amendment Foundation? . Because they know if they can stop the NRA, we're done.
Why did Trump invite them to sit on an advisor Board and basically take advice from NRA Chiefs when the Democrats were demanding more gun control. There is a reason.
Last but not least, the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban was basically going to be passed. But NRA stopped certain aspects before it happened. The Clintons and Democrats already had their ducks in a row and had the votes to pass it. The NRA tried to fight it, but they could not overcome the vote. So basically they managed to get a negotiation BEFORE the Vote. They worked to Grandfather all currently owned Semi-Auto Rifles. They got the law put back a month before it was in effect, so people had time to buy more before the ban. They grandfathered in all current Hi-Cap/ normal capacity Magazines so we could leep what we had. They got certain restrictions taken out of the law by pushing combinations of certain features like pistol grips, adjustable stocks, flash suppressors, and only gave up things like Bayonet Lugs in the negotiations. They legalized the sale of all "current Assault Weapons" that they could be sold and transferred along with Hi-Cap mags without registration or being effected by the ban. And the final kick, that the law would basically "sunset" and go null and void within 10 years, and had to be signed by a president and passed again into law to keep it valid. So George W Bush refused to sign the Ban back into law and let it die.
In other words, YOU still have big magazines, semi-auto's of all types, and designs and now a dead law that no longer exists, because the NRA did everything they could to manipulate the law and it's passing. Otherwise, we would have lost them all unless registered and we would still be under that law today. Thanks to the NRA. But many younger forum and social media "experts" either don't know, or weren't even born when that took place. OK, sorry for the Novel.
 
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